Ladder DAC

malsound

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Has it being so long, so fast 12 year already.

https://www.vinshineaudio.com/12th?utm_campaign=5560887d-ade2-48f2-ad3d-e7d271da55bb&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&cid=a910ed1a-6511-489c-9035-03c5d60cc818

 

zephyr11

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their prices went up last year i think, but these are special edition, supposedly using higher end parts and components, so likely why they cost even more.
 

malsound

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https://youtu.be/Ovb-In8Refs

Beside what is described in the review, this dac have a metronome like timing that was missing from my previous  dac, rim shot and texture of drum skin can easily heard. The brightness in sound is an artifact of the run in process and yes it is sensitive to cable change both in power cord and RCA in my case. One of the acid test for music reproduction is hand clap, here it it is realistically portray with meat on bone of palm.

 

wusplay

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Timing is something I don't understand.
If a device is too bright or dark, i can recognise it. But if you ask me timing good or not, I can't tell.
 

malsound

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wusplay said:
Timing is something I don't understand.
If a device is too bright or dark, i can recognise it. But if you ask me timing good or not, I can't tell.

wasserklavier can  give a hand to explain here.

 

malsound

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boxerfan88 said:
That video is very good for insomniacs?

He talks like that but after a while sort of grow on you

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He talks like that but after a while sort of grow on you once you get use to his style.

 

malsound

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BadEnglish said:
Hear , hear.... I thought I'm only one  ;D

How about
Brush ? Hihat kick ?

Sorry no AMT or JET tweeter in my collection,  maybe can borrow from Cash or the Perlisten will also do. ;D

 

wasserklavier

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malsound said:
wasserklavier can  give a hand to explain here.

To be honest I also not sure what reviewers really mean when they say that. I think maybe it's the synchronization of a range of frequencies because one single note or sound is actually composed of  a wide spectrum of frequencies. So besides the main pitch, there are also other harmonics or transients present. If these transients are just very slightly out of sync, the sound will lose some impact.
 

wusplay

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Reading all the explanation is one thing, understanding it is another thing

For eg someone explain that  pace is the speed of the music, rhythm is the groove and swing, and timing is how it all fits together. This seem reasonable, however if you setup a Naim and Gryphon system side by side and ask me to listen and comment on which one have better timing, i can't and don't know how.
 

BadEnglish

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wusplay said:
Reading all the explanation is one thing, understanding it is another thing

For eg someone explain that  pace is the speed of the music, rhythm is the groove and swing, and timing is how it all fits together. This seem reasonable, however if you setup a Naim and Gryphon system side by side and ask me to listen and comment on which one have better timing, i can't and don't know how.

Buy me acuppa and I will show you  ;)
 

boxerfan88

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From my perspective, Bright/Warm/Dark, relates to frequency balance aka tonal balance of the entire system (cables included). Many can detect this.

On the other hand, timing aka jitter, happens at the digital conversion sample level. If a digital sample converts a micro time earlier or later, the waveform distorts just so very slightly. This sort of coloration is quite hard to detect (I?m unable to detect). Typically jitter is random, therefore no pattern to it, which makes it even harder to detect. I also wanna learn how to detect jitter?


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wasserklavier

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Just for fun, I just did AB test comparing my Lab12 Dac1 Reference with EVGA Nu Audio Pro in my desktop. Both of them connected to my Sony amp and Cabasse speakers. Not a fair comparison price wise, $4300 SGD vs $350 SGD, but hey, got many people believe cheap few hundred dollars DACs are all you need.

I think for colors the main deciding factor is the speakers themselves. The DAC might only be able to change the color just subtly. I heard no difference in color between my EVGA and Lab12. I remembered my Musician Pegasus just very slightly brighter.

But in terms of realizing the transients, these are where the two DACs really show their differences. On the EVGA a lot of transients were not reproduced. Piano and violin sound missing a lot of "weight". Solo violin sound like something produced out of synthesizer instead. When listening to more exciting tracks, the lack of transients translate to overall less energetic experience. But I do have to concur that if the EVGA still sounded very good and if I had not heard better setups I might be quite happy with it.
 

malsound

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Wah Lau, 10k too rich for my blood, I am afraid  I will hate myself for having to return them. Thank for you kind offer.  :)

https://www.audioholics.com/bookshelf-speaker-reviews/perlisten-s4b

 

EconAv

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malsound said:
Wah Lau, 10k too rich for my blood,
https://www.audioholics.com/bookshelf-speaker-reviews/perlisten-s4b
No leh , start from $2999 only wor.

malsound said:
I will hate myself for having to return them.
https://www.audioholics.com/bookshelf-speaker-reviews/perlisten-s4b
You nvr know , i may just leave it there ?. 8)
 
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