Recording, mixing & mastering

[boxerfan88]

Someone got my interest piqued in mixing/mastering...I've never done it before...therefore starting this thread for anyone starting down this hobby...

...now just spending time learning from YT videos...

 

[boxerfan88]

https://youtu.be/8xC--tPL3-o

 

[boxerfan88]

Installed this DAW...now learning how to use it...

https://www.tracktion.com/products/waveform-free

https://youtu.be/q9HYm6_e66c

 

[boxerfan88]

https://youtu.be/cHxMsawJsTc


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[boxerfan88]

Very good video about imaging...


https://youtu.be/TEjOdqZFvhY


Now I finally learn about "depth"....it's all about volume!

Imaging is from our imagination!!

Depth/3D space: 0:10:10-0:31:15
Volume levels: 1:38:57-1:56:55


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[wusplay]

didn?t watch the entire video, just part of it
So a good record is not as simple as just recording an event or performance. Mixing engineer added artificial enhancement to make things sound more natural and real.
Haha, so when we said the best hifi setup must be able to reproduce the sound of real instruments, but in reality our hifi is merely reproducing those artificial enchantment

 

[BadEnglish]

didn?t watch the entire video, just part of it
So a good record is not as simple as just recording an event or performance. Mixing engineer added artificial enhancement to make things sound more natural and real.
Haha, so when we said the best hifi setup must be able to reproduce the sound of real instruments, but in reality our hifi is merely reproducing those artificial enchantment

I think you confuse between tonality and presentation or rather mix up.
A piano sound still will sound piano, wherever mixing engineer placed it on presentation level.

 

[wusplay]

confusing indeed... don't know anything about mixing, let's spice up the frequencies

 

[BadEnglish]

Now you are making more confuse yourself ;D
My apologies,  piano is a bad example as it covers whole range of frequency.
Triangle?  Only one tone ( of course more than one ). Wherever the mixing engineer placed triangle on presentation sound stage, it still sound the same.

 

[wusplay]

BE I don't know much about mixing to further the discussion, don't take it too seriously.  merry christmas ;D

 

[BadEnglish]

Rogers.  Merry Xmas  ;D

 

[boxerfan88]

Finally finished the 2 hour video. Very educational for me. I love those dancing balls that go with the song? really helps me learn and understand 3D imaging?

Imaging essence:
1. volume/sound level
    a. panning L-R =  L-R position
    b. loud-soft = Front-Rear layer (depth)
    c. loud-soft by frequency range (EQ) = Up-Down (height)
2. typical speaker component position, usually woofer at bottom, tweeter at top = tend to hear bass from lower soundstage/floor, and highs at the upper soundstage.
3. time (delay)
    a. delay <30ms = makes the sound fatter/wider, less crisp
    b. delay >30ms = reverb/echo (sound effects)


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[boxerfan88]

Thinking about point #2 above, my current speaker is MTM layout. Does it mean that the highs would be closer to the middle of the soundstage rather than at the upper part of the soundstage (typical MT layout)?

I?m thinking that my upgrade speakers should be the traditional WMT layout? since mixing engineer would mix for the traditional WMT layout speakers?

 

[BadEnglish]

I bet,  you haven't seen WMT speakers are laid to their sides in some studio rooms ;D
Whether they are actively used in mixing or playback , no idea.

But mixing artists are like us , they know what are the weak points and good points of their systems, so they mentally filter out ;D my another theory

 

[boxerfan88]

Have laa? seen so many over the past month while doing my research on Youtube & Google

ATC SCM45, Neumann KH310, ?.

But hoh?these are still traditional MT speakers! The tweeter is still on top of mid, it?s just that the woofer is put to the side.

For example, the ATC SCM50 Pro models got big hole cutout to move the tweeter for landscape installation.

Actually I should ask u?your Tannoy with coaxial drivers?the woofer is in the middle?yes?
When you listen critically to songs with good bass & kick drums? do u hear the bass & kick drums come from the middle or lower soundstage/floor?
(I cannot remember the sonic impression from my visit long ago)
Then again, maybe your supertweeter lifts the highs?

 

[BadEnglish]

Now you are referring to sound stage height.
On properly recorded and mixed tracks,  kick drum is always below snare drum, cymbals are a bit higher than snare ( all as in real life picture ) Bass guitar is at centre of height.

 

[boxerfan88]

Now you are referring to sound stage height.
On properly recorded and mixed tracks,  kick drum is always below snare drum, cymbals are a bit higher than snare ( all as in real life picture ) Bass guitar is at centre of height.

Yup, height.

Like your speaker is coaxial, so the tweeter & woofer is at the same height because same axis. So how can the mixing engineer position the kick drum below the snare?

I think the mixing engineer use selective frequency band EQ to position the height, so the height positioning works for WMT speaker since the drivers are stacked above each other. So how it works for coaxial speaker? Hmm...

 

[BadEnglish]

Yup, height.

Like your speaker is coaxial, so the tweeter & woofer is at the same height because same axis. So how can the mixing engineer position the kick drum below the snare?

I think the mixing engineer use selective frequency band EQ to position the height, so the height positioning works for WMT speaker since the drivers are stacked above each other. So how it works for coaxial speaker? Hmm...

Not close

There are 2 major types. Close micking and acoustic micking. In latter, either single or dual mics in stereo separation, no additional DSP required,  and as good as it can sound. 
In close micking, there are about 2 additional mics over the drum set to capture the reverberation and height.

There might be a lot more ways by now,  but this is all I know.

Reverberation is the key if you are looking for.

 

[boxerfan88]

Ah so! Thanks for highlighting this, now I remember?It was covered in the lecture video. Multiple close mic recording per instrument.

They call the mic at back of piano the toilet [emoji1787]

Boy?I still have a lot to learn?.


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[BadEnglish]

Watch where you are heading to ;D
From mixing,  now recording,  soon you might start pick up brushes. You have enough room to fit an acoustic drum set in your living room.  8)